Let's Think About It Podcast

Transforming Fear into Growth: Insights from Kisha Wynter

• Morice Mabry • Season 1 • Episode 26

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🌟 What if you could overcome imposter syndrome and unlock your true leadership potential? 🌟 Join us on this captivating episode of the "Let's Think About It" podcast as I chat with Kisha Wynter, an inspiring leadership consultant who has journeyed from 🇯🇲 Jamaica to 🇺🇸 Connecticut and transformed her career from human resources to executive coaching. 🌊🍂 Kisha opens up about her love for Connecticut's changing seasons and the beach, her significant career at General Electric, and the pivotal moments that helped her conquer self-doubt, including her first job interview with a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and a life-changing Tony Robbins conference.

🤔 Have you ever felt the sting of self-doubt in your professional life? 🤔 Kisha's personal struggles with imposter syndrome resonate deeply, not just with her but with many of her colleagues. This episode uncovers the transformative power of coaching within corporate environments, highlighting how shifting from a command-and-control leadership style to a more empowering, coaching-oriented approach can make a significant difference. Through Kisha's narrative and Coach Mo's own experience in implementing a coaching and career development unit, listeners will gain valuable insights into combating their inner critics and fostering a coaching mindset within their organizations.

🔍 Curious about how to turn fear into a catalyst for growth? 🔍 In our final segment, Kisha dives into the essence of bravery, focusing on core values like learning and growth to diminish fear and imposter syndrome. She shares insights from her upcoming book, "Your Power Unleashed: How Savvy Women Use Courage to Get Promoted, Paid, and Find Fulfillment," offering actionable advice on building a personal brand and gaining visibility with decision-makers. Kisha leaves us with a powerful quote to inspire listeners to overcome self-doubt and become unstoppable. 💪 Don’t miss this inspiring and transformative episode! 🎙️✨

Coach Mo:

Welcome to the let's Think About it podcast, where we embark on a journey of thoughtfulness and personal growth. I'm your host, Coach Mo, and I'm here to guide you through thought-promoting discussions that will inspire you to unlock your full potential. In each episode, we'll explore a wide range of topics, from self-discovery and mindfulness to goal-setting and achieving success. Together, we'll challenge conventional thinking and dive deep into the realms of possibility. Whether you're looking to find clarity in your personal or professional life, or seeking strategies to overcome obstacles, this podcast is your go-to source for insightful conversations and practical advice. So find a comfortable spot, chill and let's embark on this journey of self-improvement together. Remember, the power of transformation lies within you, and together we'll uncover the tools and insights you need to make it happen. So let's dive in. Welcome to another episode of the let's Think About it podcast. I'm your host, Coach Mo, and I'm here with another amazing guest, and her name is Kisha Wynter.

Kisha Wynter:

What's up, Kisha? I'm doing good. How are you Mo?

Coach Mo:

Oh man, I'm awesome we're here after the 4th of July. I hope you had a great 4th of July.

Kisha Wynter:

Yes, it was very relaxing here in the Northeast. I'm in Connecticut, so it was nice and warm.

Coach Mo:

Exactly, and that's one thing that I always ask my guests when they come on when are you tapping in from? And you say Connecticut.

Kisha Wynter:

Yeah, I'm in Stanford, connecticut, about 40 minutes north of New York City. So I'm in the New York tri-state area. Yes, I always say the forgotten state of the tri-state, because everybody remembers about New Jersey but nobody remembers about Connecticut. We're on the north side.

Coach Mo:

Absolutely. And what's one thing that you love about Connecticut?

Kisha Wynter:

It's interesting. That's a really good question. My last name is Wynter, however. That's a really good question. However, I don't love the winter. It's very ironic because I was born in Jamaica. I'm an island girl, grew up in Fresno, California, so I do the warm weather, but I have lived now in Connecticut for the majority of my life and I am beginning to love the seasons. I love the fall, so I love the change of seasons in Connecticut, and I also live close to the beach and I'm a beach lady. So those are the two things that I love about. I could go on and on, but yeah.

Kisha Wynter:

I'm beginning to love Connecticut more and more.

Coach Mo:

Wait, I heard you say. I heard you say Jamaica and the Olympics is around the corner. So, All eyes on the Jamaican sprinters. The women have been dominating.

Kisha Wynter:

Yes they have been dominating. Yeah, it's going to be a tight competition between the US and Jamaica, but you know what I look at it this way. I'm also an American citizen, so I win either way.

Coach Mo:

That's right, that's right, that's right.

Kisha Wynter:

I will say that I love, on the American side, I love Sha'Carri Richardson's comeback because she had the last time around. She didn't get to go to the Olympics, so I'm also rooting for her as well. But yeah, I always have my vote for Shelly and Frazier and Elaine. Actually, I think Elaine had to drop out due to an injury, unfortunately, but it will be a tight competition and it will be great to see in the Olympics.

Coach Mo:

Yes. So what I'm going to do now is I want to get into you because I'm curious. I understand you're a leadership consultant, so tell us about your journey and how you arrived at becoming a leadership consultant.

Kisha Wynter:

It's a really good question, mo. I worked in human resources for a Fortune 500 company for 20 years and really the majority of my time in corporate I was actually doing coaching and development for leaders. I worked for General Electric, which are very well known for their leadership development track, and so I had a passion for that. That's how I ended up in the career. I consider myself a lifelong learner. I'm all about personal development and it's interesting how I ended up transitioning specifically into coaching. Executive coaching is because early in my career I wanted to advance personally.

Kisha Wynter:

Every time you go to that next level as a coach, you hit an internal limiting belief. Maybe the limiting belief is that you don't belong, or you're not good enough, or you're not qualified, or you're too young, like not good enough, too young, not qualified for all the things I struggled with. And so every time sometimes people have more faith in you than you have for yourself. And I'll never forget when I went to this interview. I was and I can go into the details later on the interview but bottom line, I went into so much self-doubt and fear in the interview that I had you know what I'm now calling an imposter syndrome attack. And I the leader, he the CEO my first time having a one-on-one conversation with a CEO and I was being interviewed, and at the end of the day, he got me water. I calmed myself down, able to finish the interview and, surprisingly, I got the job.

Kisha Wynter:

However, because I'm not feeling good enough, not feeling that I was qualified and not belong, started to derail me and I was just. I said to myself you know what? Every I'm going to keep going to the next level. I'm ambitious and I'm driven, but I don't want, every single time I go to the try to go to the next level, I have imposter syndrome attack. How can I address it? And that's when I started reading a lot of books. I literally went to my, I think I went to my first Tony Robbins conference. After that and then, through Tony Robbins conferences, I was assigned, I signed up for, I paid for a coach and the coach helped me remove some of my limiting beliefs and fears and I said to myself, wow, like they really helped me. I want to be able to do this to other people. And then that's when I, while I was in corporate, I went in and started. I went to CTI and got my coaching certification and then the rest is history, but that's how I got into it.

Coach Mo:

We actually have the same parallels in how we approach coaching, because I went through something very similar. It was maybe about 14, 15 years ago, something like that, but I had lost my job Me and my wife was actually coming back from our first year anniversary right that Monday. I got the pink slip. I lost my job, got laid off, whatever you want to call it, and I don't remember how I got connected with this coach, but she just started working with me Right, and just what you said. I was carrying these limiting beliefs, feeling really down on myself. I had this fear of even trying to put myself out there, just really down. But then she moved me out of that space and, just like you said, moved me out of that space and, just like you said, I want to help people who are in situations that I was in get out of that rut, to be able to propel forward and I and that just always stuck with me until I took those steps and became a professional coach.

Kisha Wynter:

So yeah, we coach and whatever we struggle with, that's what they say. So, yeah, I love that you have that in common, that we share that in common.

Coach Mo:

Yeah, absolutely Tell us about. What was it for you as you really elevated and you said to yourself, maybe it was in General Electrics and you identified yeah, I'm going to do this. After you went through Tony Robbins and all of the things, how did you start to determine coaching is going to be it for me moving forward? What was that?

Kisha Wynter:

It was first it started on an individual level. Right, transformation starts within, and I say this about even with my practice. I work with organized people first of all to help them identify what differentiates them and really to step up and do good in the world. But that good that they want to do in the world has to start with looking, having the courage to look within. And so I role model that, without forcefully because of what the situation I went through, out forcefully because of what the situation I went through, it was a wake up call to me to say you know what, if I'm going to advance, I've got to deal with these inner demons, feeling like I didn't belong because obviously somebody referred me to the job, somebody believed that I was good enough to be interviewed, somebody gave me another person like I had four or five people that recommended me and I invested in me, and yet somehow I still had this inner feeling that I didn't have enough experience. And so when I showed up and when that happened to me, and then I went through coaching and started reflecting and started experiencing the transformation, I began to speak to a lot of people in my organization and I realized that men, women, people of all backgrounds, had this inner critic, this inner voice. It wasn't just me. And so the other piece of it was just like, on the one-on-one basis.

Kisha Wynter:

I literally once I went through my coaching certification, I literally remember sending an email out to my whole organization hey, I have to get my 100 hours of coaching. So who wants coaching with me? Listen, I didn't realize there was so much hunger for it because I sent out this email to, like crazy me, like I didn't even know anybody, like why are you sending it out to 500 people? Like within 30 minutes? My calendar I'm like getting like hundreds of emails and I'm having these one-on-one coaching conversations. And it was. What I loved about that organization is that it was a global org because they were developing leaders. Even though we were all located in the U? S. They were developing leaders to send them back to their home countries across the world to be leaders in those countries for wherever GE had a print. And so I had people from, obviously, the US, canada, latin America, africa, like different countries in Africa and Europe all over.

Kisha Wynter:

Asia and Australia, like everywhere, and all of that, like all of us had this thing in our head we're not good enough, we don't belong, and so having these one-on-one coaching conversation made me realize that we had so much in common you know, but what made me so?

Kisha Wynter:

it was one-on-one, so, interpersonally, personally, within myself. And then the third piece was I realized the old way of leadership in corporations was this command and control, and you do what I say. That was really popular in the early 2000s and, based on what you just said, 15 years ago you know what that leadership style was, and I realized that people that are younger millennials and the younger Gen Xs that's not how we wanted to be led. And so I connected the dots and I said to myself how about, instead of command and control, you have a coaching style as a manager, as a leader? So I approached the facilitators that had trained me because I was still early in my coaching journey, and asked them to come to the organization and help us train managers on how to be coaches, as leaders. Now, they weren't going to go through coaching certification, but we're going to teach them coaching skills like deep listening, right, powerful questions, all the things that we learn in coaching school and them just going through one day of manager.

Kisha Wynter:

It changed Like managers came back and they were like we will never tell anybody anything. We're going to hold them as naturally creative resources. We're going to hold them, we're going to invest and you could see the shift in the organization. Everything didn't change overnight, but you could see that mental shift and I said to myself, wow, coaching, if we really had a coaching mindset in corporate, we literally could change the world. And so I think it was all three things. It was a personal transformation, it was a one-on-one, interpersonal, but then the organizational impact of coaching. I said, okay, like coaching can solve everything. And then I was all in.

Coach Mo:

Yes, man, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, keisha, we have very similar paths, because I did exactly the same thing for the state agency that I work for, same exact thing when I was going through my cohort program and getting certified you need to get these coaching hours, right, we need to get these coaching hours. I went to my organization. I was like, hey, I got to get these coaching hours, I got to get some coaching. I need to practice, I need to practice and I put it out there and next thing, I'm coaching all of these executives in my state organization and I was like you know what, maybe we need coaching in the department, maybe I should be really creating a coaching and career development unit. That's exactly what I did, right, and so it's powerful. It's powerful Everything that you said.

Coach Mo:

I'm in 100% alignment with you because that's exactly what I'm doing for the agency that I work for. But here's a question that I have to ask you, because you mentioned imposter syndrome, the inner critic, right, and that's a lot of the foundation of what I talk about on my podcast. Yeah, so what's your approach when you're working with your clients and how you help them overcome this inner critic, imposter syndrome, and what they're dealing with. What's your approach to helping them overcome that and get through it?

Kisha Wynter:

Yeah, that's real. That's a really good question and it's deaf. I have some general but then customized depending on what, how it's showing up for each person and what they're going through. But the first thing I tell them is that the inner critic is what I call it is. It's not. We think it's true. We think what the inner critic is saying is facts and the truth.

Kisha Wynter:

You know that it is not facts, so I describe it as this nagging, shaming, criticizing voice that shows up when we're trying to step outside of our comfort zone and when we're trying to play big. So if you listen to the implications of that, actually I said what it means is that it is not something to be ashamed of. It is something to celebrate because it's showing up, because you're doing something new, you're stepping out, you're trying to play big, and it is a result of that fight or fight response that is activated because we are fearful, because it's new. And so the first thing I say to people reframe it it's not something to be scared of. It's actually something to celebrate and be excited about because you're learning and growing.

Coach Mo:

Exactly.

Kisha Wynter:

You're not resting on your laurels, you're stressed, you're feeling imposter syndrome because okay. So my example was this was the first time I was having a one-on-one conversation with a CEO, an officer of a multi-billion fortune 500 company, and this guy, he had the voice of Morgan Freeman. He's literally the biggest presence. He spoke and his voice echoed and it was great. Like under normal circumstances I probably would have been like, but I was just like this guy is so big and so intimidated and I'm so small and I don't know he's going to, he's going to see that I'm insignificant, and so I started shrinking and wanted to basically just disappear in my chair and in the moment, because he was just like are you OK? Because he asked me to tell me about my background and and all that. And I opened my mouth and that dry. Yeah, I couldn't speak. So he got are you okay? Got me some water, nice liter, and I drank and while I was drinking the water, I thought to myself I was just like, okay, all right, I'm probably gonna screw this interview up at this point because clearly I can't speak.

Kisha Wynter:

What happened for me that moment that caused me to shift? I connected with a value, and we do values work, and one of my deepest values is learning and growth. And I said, if nothing else, this is the first time I'm doing an interview, this is the first time I'm having a conversation. So guess what, even if I screw up and I don't get this opportunity now, I learn and grow from this experience. So I, because of that reframing and focusing on my values, it deescalate the intensity of the moment and I just began to focus on how I'm going to learn from this experience. So then I started engaging with him and then it went fine at the end of the day. And so that's what I tell my clients. I'm like go find a value that becomes so motivating and so powerful to you that it makes your fear shrink.

Coach Mo:

Absolutely. I like the word that you said is right. Those moments when you are triggered by the fear and this is something that I really pound in with my clients as well when you feel that trigger of fear coming on, maybe that's the trigger to be confident in that moment, maybe that's the signal of it telling you now is the time to be confident and move forward and not other way of being afraid, scared, annoyed, whatever that fear and how that emotion of the fear comes to you. But maybe it's the trigger to be confident and courageous and brave in those moments.

Kisha Wynter:

Yeah, yeah. And I love the fact that you said courageous, because people think that courage means to not feel fear. But it's actually to feel fear and do it anyway. You can't be courageous if you don't feel any fear. So I said it's like normal and de-stigmatized fear. Fear is just a reflection that you're doing something that's uncomfortable for you and the more you do it, the better you're going to get and the less the fear is going to be.

Kisha Wynter:

So a lot of leaders I work with a lot of leaders on communication and they all be presenting for the first time to a senior leadership team or a board. Right, like this is feels like high stake to them. And I give the example of the first time to a senior leadership team or a board. Right, like this feels like high stakes to them. And I give the example of the first time. I went on stage and I'm like, instead of focusing, if you make it all about you and focusing on your performance, especially if you're not a very extroverted, it's all about me type of person then yes, it's going to intensify because you're like, oh my God, if I don't perform well, what if I fail? So I give the example to them.

Kisha Wynter:

I said the first time I interestingly enough, I was talking about imposter syndrome on stage, and the first time I did it was in front of 500 senior executives in a big corporation, and I remember feeling this like my heart racing, my mouth drying up. And I said to myself like my heart racing, my mouth drying up, and I said to myself like myself talk. And this is the other thing. Turn your inner critic into your inner coach. Yes, that's because we don't. We talk to ourselves, sometimes in such a harsh way that we would never speak to somebody that we love. And so I was like think, if you have children, think about a child, think about somebody that you love, how would you be talking to them?

Kisha Wynter:

And so I was like, if you have children, think about a child, think about somebody that you love, how would you be talking to them? And so I like literal-ish, instead of saying do you think you're good enough? Why do you think you deserve to be on this stage? So many people know more than you? No, I turned that into. First of all, it's okay that you don't feel 100% confident, but what's really? This is a powerful question that coaches ask. Right, what's, but what's really? This is a powerful question that coaches ask right, what's really important to you right now? Yeah, and I connect us, like you know what I? Again I connected to a value and I said to myself I want to ensure that anybody is that's living below their potential, that I can be an example for them, that my words can help them step into their full potential and not play small.

Kisha Wynter:

I want to model what it looks like to play big. And so that value of contribution and service became bigger than the fear of failure or the fear of what people would think, and so that's what pushed me and that's what I tell my. Again, I go back to value and I go back to taking the focus off of you and figure out what you want to bring to the conversation. What's the value? What do you want to contribute? How do you want to help people? And again, that makes it less scary because you're not focusing on how you're doing.

Coach Mo:

That's very important that you highlight values, the value activity that you mentioned early on when you brought this up. It's really important how us, as coaches, help our clients move forward and helping them identify what those values are for them, so that they can connect it and have the awareness to know. If I focus on this value, then it would help decrease the fear that I might be feeling in those moments. Right, exactly what do you do to help create awareness for your clients to lean towards values? What type of activities are available for them to tap into learning more about the values?

Kisha Wynter:

There's a few exercises that you could do and I'm sure you're aware of them. I will ask them questions around what are they doing and when they're doing it it makes them feel fully alive. Or another easy one that I think about people that you really admire and tell me why you admire them. And as you're going through and explaining all the things that they admire, then you're able to identify oh so you value authenticity. Authenticity is important to you. You value achievement that's important. You value relationships.

Kisha Wynter:

Right, when you're listening to people's story or asking the flip side of it, what are the leaders, what values or what characteristics in leaders really piss you off, really irritate you? And then it's usually when they're stepping on just the opposite, when there's a values conflict. So I'll do that. There's quite a few exercises, but those are some of the things that I'll ask them. And as you're explaining and you're telling me their stories, then I'm able to uncover what their values are and sometimes they cause. I prefer to go through the exercise rather than asking you what's important to you, because everybody has their list. When you, when you begin to really especially if there's an emotional connection you know that those ones are the strongest ones.

Coach Mo:

Yeah, and then another approach that I take with the values is I would have them at the top of your head what are 10 values that you feel are important to you? And then they'll list them and then I'll have them rank them. It will be the top five and then that's where they would have no three and four really tight things like that. Or I have a value sheet with about 50 different values on them and I have them go through it and check their top 10 and then rank them from that standpoint, and then that helps with the conversation and how they utilize the values.

Kisha Wynter:

To start to tie to the situation and whatever we're talking about, I love it and usually when you do that with your clients and they really identify their values, some sort of shift in them, are they what happens?

Coach Mo:

And it goes back to what you said. When we're having these conversations with them and there's a fear present and us, as coaches, remind them of the values, in that situation the fear starts to diminish almost yeah, instantly, instantly.

Kisha Wynter:

So, yeah, that's definitely, it's just amazing. So, again, it's shifting away from the fear and focusing on what you desire, because that's going to allow you to bring out your creative genius, rather than and really expand rather than shrink, because that's what happens when stuff down and fear shows up it causes us to shrink from our brilliance instead of owning it and expanding and taking up space, which is what I'm all about when I work with my apps. Like take up space, like you're here for a reason. Share your brilliance with the world People. People need to hear your voice.

Coach Mo:

So share with me who do you work with? Is it organizations or just individuals?

Kisha Wynter:

Yeah, really good question. There's a few aspects to my business. I do executive coaching and then leadership development and consulting, and so I primarily most of my clients come from within organizations, so the organizations will send them to me to get leadership and executive coaching. But I do work with people one on one as well. I have people that I know from the corporate world.

Kisha Wynter:

They're like okay, I just want I don't, I just want to go to you directly. And then I work with senior leadership teams to coach the team. So I do team coaching as well Individual coaching, team coaching and then also consulting around culture, and so I work for people, with people of all backgrounds. I do have a group coaching program that is called your Power Unleashed, which actually a book based on this program is coming out in September and it's called. So it's your Power Unleashed how Savvy Women Use Courage to Get Promoted, paid and Find Fulfillment.

Kisha Wynter:

And this came out of the work that I was doing in corporate, because I would hear consistently now everybody, you're a guy, you struggle with, you have struggled in the past you said it with imposter syndrome, self-doubt fear.

Kisha Wynter:

We, you struggle with, you have struggled in the past, you said it with imposter syndrome, self-doubt, fear, all we all struggle with it.

Kisha Wynter:

However, when I was in corporate, I would hear this all the time about, specifically about women, that, oh, this woman is really smart and she has the, the domain expertise, she has the, but really we don't know if we can promote her to that next leadership level because she doesn't have this leadership presence, she doesn't exude confidence, she doesn't have this executive presence, and so we've got to, like Keisha, go figure out how to help them be more confident. I'm like you can't just go tell somebody. And so, because of my own experience of dealing with this fear and self-doubt, I knew what it felt like and I also had the experience. Now, having gone through coaching and becoming a certified coach, I had the tools and the experience, and so while I was in that organization, I designed a program and that's my your Power Unleashed program where I help them learn how to navigate self-doubt, fear, imposter syndrome, sabotage mechanism, and how to really step into their bold, audacious, courageous self.

Coach Mo:

Man, that's awesome. That's awesome. What's the book title?

Kisha Wynter:

So it's called, and even though it's geared towards women, honestly it's for everybody. But the title is your Power Unleashed how Savvy Women Use Courage to Get Promoted, paid and Find Fulfillment. So that's the subtitle, but the main title is your Power Unleashed. And it's, yeah, unleash the power within. Tony Robbins says this all the time Unleash that power within you, and that is what I help them do, and that is what I help them do. And so what happens is it just in that corporate setting is that we tend to shrink from our power and from the brilliance that we bring.

Kisha Wynter:

But once you learn how to navigate that doubt and fear and really step into your brilliance, then you can make the impact that you want to make an organization. And so the second part of the book I focus on all right now how do you navigate the organization? Because working hard is not enough. Like you, go up, put your head down and work hard, you're going to get ahead. No, actually, you do many different steps to this. Yes, delivering results, working hard, is important, but you have to work on your brand. You have to figure out how to get visibility to the decision makers. You have to build on your brand. You have to figure out how to get visibility to the decision makers. You have to build your personal board of directors, the people that are going to advocate for you when you're not in the room and open doors for you that you can't open for yourself.

Kisha Wynter:

Like that interview that I got. I didn't get it on my own. My manager called the hiring manager and say, hey, like he's just great, because of her track record, you should hire her. And then other people that had worked with me in other capacity called that leader and that's how I got the interview. And it's black culture. We like we know this. Uh, medea. Medea says I could do bad all by myself. No, right, no, we're not doing bad all by ourselves anymore. You need a group, you need a community that will support you and help to lift you up and just make the journey much more fun and easier. So that's what I talk about in my coaching programs and also in the book that's coming out in September.

Coach Mo:

That's amazing, that's great. How can people find you?

Kisha Wynter:

Great question. My name Kisha Wynter on LinkedIn. I'm everywhere. I'm actually primarily on LinkedIn, but also on Instagram and then on my website, yourpoweronleashcom, so that's the place people can find me.

Coach Mo:

Okay, so you got the book coming out. What else is happening for Miss Keisha?

Kisha Wynter:

Oh, so that's a good question. So right now, my life is focused on this book. There are other things that are speaking engagements around the book, publishing all the marketing, doing webinars. So there's a lot of work around the book right now. So that's really what's going on, but obviously I still continue to work with organizations in their leadership development and all the different things.

Coach Mo:

Yeah, that's awesome. So, as we wrap up today, what's one last thing? Thought nugget, insight that you would like to leave the audience.

Kisha Wynter:

I love this question. One insider nugget there is a quote and I don't know who said this quote. I think I heard it from Les Brown, but I don't know if he came up with this quote. But he said if there is no enemy within, the enemy outside can do us no harm.

Kisha Wynter:

If there is no enemy within, the enemy outside can do us no harm. Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that Sometimes we're our own biggest enemy. And there's a book that says the mountain is you. I've never read the book, but just the title alone. We can eliminate that self-doubt and fear and break through it, then I think we will become unstoppable.

Coach Mo:

So absolutely there, it is, there, it is. I appreciate you, I really do. You are awesome.

Kisha Wynter:

Oh my God, it was so fun talking to you today. I really enjoyed talking to you and your energy, and I hope we will be able to collaborate again.

Coach Mo:

Absolutely. I was just thinking I may have to get you back on in September to help get that awareness of that book.

Kisha Wynter:

Oh, I would love to, absolutely I would love to, and share more insights and talk about the book.

Coach Mo:

We may have to bookmark that for you to get you back on in September.

Kisha Wynter:

I would love to come back in September that would be great and have even more amazing conversations.

Coach Mo:

Absolutely. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you. Have a good day. All right. Thank you, mo, take care. Thank you for joining me in this episode of let's Think About it. Your time and attention are greatly appreciated. If you found value in today's discussion, I encourage you to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. Remember, the journey of self-improvement is ongoing and I'm here to support you every step of the way. Connect with me on social media for updates and insights. You can find me on Instagram and Facebook at Coach Mo Coaching, or LinkedIn at Morice Mabry, or visit my website at moricemabrycom for exclusive content. Until next time, keep reflecting, keep growing and, most importantly, keep believing in yourself. Remember the most effective way to do it is to do it together. We're making incredible strides toward a better and more empowered you, so thank you and I'll see you in our next episode.